This means we can humanely harvest animals Shooters also cannot use bullets larger than .308″ or with a velocity higher than 3,200 feet per second. Finally, though the .22 Nosler and .224 Valkyrie will work with a standard AR-15 style rifle, they require the use of 6.8 SPC magazines. 224 Valkyrie: Breaking Down the Numbers . First out of the gate was the .22 Nosler, followed a year later by the Federal .224 Valkrie. That’s how the 224 Valkyrie compares to the .223 Remington in a nutshell. 224 Valkyrie vs 223. Nosler rolled out their proprietary 22 Nosler cartridge back in 2017 in an effort to improve upon the performance of the old .223 Remington cartridge, especially at extended range. Maybe it was me. Meanwhile, I contacted Reich and told him I needed the exact ammunition he gave me in .224 Valkyrie, but in .223 Remington. with the .223 Remington and 5.56mm NATO. To 1; 2; First Prev 2 of 2 Go to page. If it sounds like I’m splitting hairs here, it’s because I am. As far as ammunition and rifle availability go, the .223 Remington wins hands down. Some catch on while others fade into obscurity. The 22 Nosler is a proprietary cartridge, so there’s a limited selection of both loaded ammunition and even brass for reloading. I’ll also provide some information on how it stacks up next to the .223 Remington and 22 Nosler cartridges so you can decide if it fits your needs as a hunter. hunters won’t wear out a barrel in less than three generations. Additionally, since the cartridge was made from 6.8 SPC brass, it has a larger case diameter than the .223 Remington, which necessitates the use of a larger bolt face than the other two cartridges. can easily be misleading. 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Finally, all three have the same maximum overall length of 2.26″, which means they’ll fit in an AR-15. Bullet design, particularly with modern projectiles, calm afternoon. Basically every sporting goods store will have a good selection of reasonably priced .223 Remington ammo and rifles. The 224 Valkyrie is based on the 6.8 SPC case and retains the same rim diameter. These high velocity, rapidly expanding bullets aren’t really suitable for big game hunting, but they’re absolutely devastating on varmints and predators. This is a big plus in favor of the 22 Nosler and .224 Valkyrie since they do offer improved performance compared to the .223 Remington with very little additional recoil. But on the flip side, there is everything in the world that a 5.56 can’t do that a Valkyrie … A mild recoil also facilitates with spotting misses and taking a rapid follow up shot both at the range and afield. This is another outstanding choice for hog or deer hunting with the 224 Valkyrie. at greater distances. Left to right; 224 Valkyrie, 223 Remington, 223 Ackley Improved, 6.5 Creedmoor, 308 Winchester, 300 Winchester Magnum. It’s a fantastic little cartridge and I’m sure it will serve you well afield. Bullet weight measured in grains, velocity in fps by LabRadar, accuracy in inches for three 5-shot groups at 100 yards, and energy in foot-pounds at 50 yards. In this section, lets looks at how we can model the 224 Valkyrie against these selected loads. I could have gotten tighter way except caliber. Being almost at par with the 6.5 Creedmoor, the hype for these new ammo seems to be staying for a while. Prev. But how does it compare to the .223? The .223 Remington on the other hand normally crosses the sound barrier before it travels 800 yards. All things considered, the differences between these cartridges are very small and, while there are real differences between the .223 Remington, .224 Valkyrie, and .22 Nosler, it’s almost all at the margins. All that being said, I’m not advocating shooting any big game animal at 500 yards with either cartridge. .224 Valkyrie projectiles were much heavier at 90 grains. .224 won with both types of ammo. Pressure is the primary difference. Though using a .22 caliber cartridge for hunting deer sized game (especially with lighter bullets) is still a somewhat controversial subject, that 90 grain load is one of the better options out there. The Nosler cartridge has a greater case capacity than the .223 Remington and therefore offered a substantial increase in performance compared to the older Remington cartridge while still functioning reliably in a standard AR-15 style rifle. Quick answer: it can’t match the velocity of the 22-250 Rem. Minuteman. There is a little bit more difference when talking about the heavier bullets though. The .224 Valkyrie wasn’t asked to fill a void, yet it did with its creation. The .224 SMKs had 155 foot-pounds more Common loads among those released so … Better Bet for Hunting The 224 Valkyrie is capable of shooting heavier and more aerodynamic bullets than the 223 Remington. On the other hand, the .224 Valkyrie and .22 Nosler generally offer better ammunition options for big game hunting than the .223 Remington. 6.8 SPC case that is then necked down to fit a .224-caliber round. If that sounds like what you want, then strongly consider using this ammunition for coyote, bobcat, and prairie dog hunting. The BC is of little importance inside of 100 yards. The 6.8 case On the other hand, while the 22 Nosler still has the flattest trajectory of the bunch with the heavier big game load, the .224 Valkyrie has an even bigger advantage in retained energy. misleading because the .223 loses velocity much faster than the .224. The sun was directly overhead, and everything was perfect for a latter since before I was born. assignment. If you’d like to learn more about some more high velocity cartridges that are very popular for hunting, read the article below. I loved the idea. As you can see, all three cartridges have a very similar trajectory with the lighter 55gr and 60gr varmint loads. black gun shooters. Even so, I’m not sure that is a big enough reason for most hunters to transition over to the .224 Valkyrie on its own. Now if you’re into long range shooting and you want to also use that cartridge for a little hunting on the side, then the .224 Valkyrie makes a whole lot more sense. Valkyrie. Kinetic energy is the final consideration. both guns so neither had an advantage. The .22 Nosler offers a noticeable improvement in ballistics when compared to the .223 Remington. 1:8″ and even 1:9″ twist rates are fairly common with the .223 Remington. The 224 Valkyrie uses a modified 6.8 Remington SPC case (which is itself a modified .30 Remington case) necked down to .22 caliber. Of course, a 24” barrel allows for more (all) powder burn and with the AEM5 attached puts the muzzle of the rifle almost 10” farther away from the shooter as opposed to the 18” BCM setup. That surprised me a little because the .224 cartridge is noticeably larger. First, I needed two identical rifles—the same in every Valkyries are female figures in Norse mythology that choose who will die in battle and then take their chosen ones to the Valhalla. Is this important? Engineered for rapid expansion at a wide range of impact velocities, this ammo uses bullets with a lead core chemically fused to the jacket to minimize the chances of core-jacket separation. There’s not much that I can say about the Barnes TSX that hasn’t already been said and this copper hollow point bullet is well known as one of the best choices around for big game hunting. It starts as a 224 Valkyrie vs 308 Win. Guys with compound bows do it with less than 100 fpe. Clearing the Cartridge Confusion – .223 vs. 5.56. 22-250 vs 224 vs 204 Ruger vs 220 Swift: Clash Of the Speed Demons. I shot three 5-round groups in each The 224 Valkyrie may very well outperform the 5.56×45 enough to obsolete it – on paper. So, if the 90 grain Federal Fusion ammo isn’t really your cup of tea and you prefer something with even more controlled expansion and higher weight retention, or if you need to use lead free ammo, then this ammo loaded with their 78gr TSX bullet is perfect for you. Really long range. At this point, American Eagle, Federal ammunition, Hornady, and Underwood all manufacture 224 Valkyrie factory ammo. Due in part to the fact that the cartridge is relatively new, there aren’t many options for factory .224 Valkyrie hunting ammo right now. hit the 100-yard line and finalized sighting in on a spare target. .224 Valkyrie. caliber with each type of ammunition. Grab your copy at OutdoorGroupStore.com. I slowly The .224″ bullets used by the .223 Remington, .22-250 Remington, and .220 Swift are also used by their Ackley Improved cousins as well as other cartridges like the .218 Bee, the .219 Zipper, the .221 Fireball, the 22 Creedmoor, the .22 PPC, the .222 Remington Magnum, the .223 WSSM, the .224 Valkyrie, and the .224 Weatherby Magnum. 1-in-6.5-inch-twist barrel in stock. Recoil: Equal. At the same time, like the 6.8 Remington SPC, the .224 Valkyrie has a rim diameter of .422″. The 223/5.56 cartridge will fall into the Valkyrie chamber but the 224 Valkyrie will not fit into the 223/5.56 chamber. Bigger bullets carry more mass This new cartridge from Federal is designed for speed at long range. Yes, the .224 Valkyrie shoots a tiny bit flatter, drifts a little less in a crosswind, and hits a little harder, but it’s not a dramatic difference between them. every load’s kinetic energy at 50 yards, and the .224 Fusion rounds had 318 Therefore, the 224 Valkyrie has a flatter trajectory, less wind drift, and more retained energy than the 223 Remington at long range when using very high BC 90 grain bullets. The company now manufactures 22 Nosler ammo using their extremely aerodynamic 85 grain Reduced Drag Factor (RDF) bullet. The BCs for the SMK loads are .301 and .563, respectively. As a side note, also be advised that the .224 Valkyrie is easily rebarreled with an existing rifle in .223 Remington, making the bolt gun possibilities almost endless until a raft of manufacturers get on board with turn-bolt rifles. The data used to compare the trajectory of the cartridges was obtained from Nosler (here and here) and Federal (here, here, here, and here). Make sure you follow The Big Game Hunting Blog on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, and YouTube. First, they all shoot .224″ bullets. Though it’s certainly possible to find rifles chambered in .223 Remington/5.56 NATO that have a 1:7″ twist barrel (I even own one), that cartridge is simply not built in a manner that results in optimal performance with bullets heavier than 80 grains. Kinetic Energy: .224 I checked These days, I prefer to go to the actual experts and look at cold, hard evidence before I pass judgment. If you wanted to use a .22 caliber AR-15 for deer hunting, I’d recommend going with the .224 Valkyrie and using either that 90 grain Federal Fusion load or the load below featuring a 78 grain Barnes TSX. In my testing, the Sniper's Hide Bolt Action Rifles. For these reasons, heavy for caliber bullets will fit in the magazine, reliably chamber, and shoot accurately in 224 Valkyrie rifles. While the 6.5 CM is still better on paper, the .224 Valkyrie can fit within an AR-15 magazine well. Modern bullet The cartridge also has a relatively long neck, which is also an asset when using those long, streamlined bullets. That being said, most .223 Remington loads top out at 77 grains. For that reason, most rifles chambered in .224 Valkyrie have a pretty fast 1:7″ rifling twist rate. Note: while the powder capacity figures listed below do give a good indication of the differences between the two cartridges, exact case capacities vary slightly according to the brand of brass used. Please note, the presumption here is you don’t need the payload to kill a bull Moose at 300 yards. Thanks for your support. One built to go long, the other arguably the most popular caliber in America, we tested 224 Valkyrie vs 223 Remington in this cartridge comparison test. If those traits are important to you, then by all means make the switch. Size matters. or 220 Swift, but those don’t function through AR actions. Wilson Combat rifles are exquisite works of art that are also combat Despite the increased performance, the .224 feels like shooting the .223, Kelley said. this test and shipped both rifles to my FFL. I loved the … This means I will earn a small commission (at no extra cost to you) if you make a purchase or rifle, handgun, shotgun, or rimfire ammunition. designs allow for devastating initial wound cavities and greater penetration This is especially important when we throw the 22 Nosler into the mix as well. Fortunately, there are also plenty of other good 6mm hunting bullets that will work very well in the 6mm Creedmoor. This is primarily due to the fact that the cartridge was specifically designed to use very heavy, long, and aerodynamic bullets. and expansion at lower velocities. So, while the 22 Nosler could shoot those bullets 200-300 fps faster than the .223 (which isn’t nothing), that was basically the extent of the performance improvements of the 22 Nosler vs the 223 Remington at first. It’s important, but it It was unveiled at the 2018 SHOT Show, with much fanfare. In all three comparisons, the .224 was more powerful, both for muzzle energy and energy after 300 yards. As you can see from the numbers above, the .224 Valkyrie consistently held muzzle energies around 1,450 ft-lbs or more, while the .223 Remington was in the mid to high 1,200s. WATCH: At the Range with the FN 503 9mm Pistol. The .224 But the .224 Valkyrie is new. To really appreciate what 223 Wylde brings to the table, you need to understand 223 Remington and 5.56×45 as calibers. U.S.A. –-(Ammoland.com)-Your AR-15 is a ton of fun at close range. Loaded with a 60 grain Nosler Ballistic Tip Varmint bullet at a blazing 3,300fps, this load is great for hunters who want a really fast expanding bullet that rapidly delivers a tremendous amount of energy to game. The good folks at Wilson liked my idea but told me they However, that’s really where the 22 Nosler and 224 Valkyrie really pull away from the .223 Remington in terms of trajectory and wind drift when using high bc target ammo. This helps support the blog and allows me to continue to create free content that’s useful to hunters like yourself. Many hunters likely don’t know much about the .224 Valkyrie. However, they were kind enough to have an The .223 Remington load has about 10% more bullet drop than the 22 Nosler at 500 yards and the 224 Valkyrie load has about 30 ft-lbs (about 7%) more kinetic energy than the 22 Nosler. There are currently only a few options for loaded rifle ammunition, but that list is slowly growing and there are a few pretty good options for both big game and varmint hunting. One of Federal’s initial 224 Valkyrie loads fired that 90 grain, high BC projectile at 2,700 fps, which was absolutely unheard of performance from a .22 caliber rifle cartridge that would fit in an AR-15 platform at the time. than the .223. recoil and barrel life. tough and a joy to shoot. Since the cartridge uses a completely new case, it’s not even possible to form .22 Nosler brass from a different cartridge case. #3140974 - 03/23/18 03:05 AM Re: 224 Valkyrie vs .223 [Re: prairiefire] DiRTY DOG Die Hard Member III Registered: 08/27/09 Posts: 2795 Loc: West A fast twist Valkyrie meant for super heavy bullets probably won't shoot typical 223 weight bullets very well. The .224 Valkyrie is also a great varmint and predator hunting cartridge. Thread starter stuff; Start date Nov 27, 2018; Forums. Maximum pressure obtained from SAAMI (p26 for the .223, here for the 224 Valkyrie, and here for the 22 Nosler). Bullet Weight: .224 Valkyrie. While it wasn’t initially possible to find 22 Nosler ammo using bullets heavier than 77 grains, that’s no longer the case. go subsonic and lose its stability at 775 yards with a 24-inch barrel. That particular load drifts about 23.9″ at 500 yards, which is about 1.4″ less than the 70 grain 22 Nosler load and about 10″ less than the heavier .223 Remington load. Bill Wilson makes sure he never has to apologize for Most importantly though, the cartridge was specifically designed around a 90 grain Sierra MatchKing bullet (SMK) from the start. anything that comes out of his factory, and his employees feel the same way. Show me that it’s awesome. While the 224 Valkyrie was designed primarily to offer improved performance at long range for shooters who want to use a .22 caliber cartridge in an AR-15, it does offer advantages to hunters as well. They formally introduced the resulting 224 Valkyrie cartridge to the world in 2018 about a year after Nosler released the 22 Nosler. larger AR-10-style rifle, which means longer, heavier receivers. Though the .223 Remington and 22 Nosler both have a .378″ rim diameter, the .223 Remington is a rimless case while the 22 Nosler has a rebated rim. The Nov 16, 2011 330 30 45 Ft worth, tx. But even so, more energy is always better. So where do we stand overall with the .223 Remington, 224 Valkyrie, and 22 Nosler? we only looked at kinetic energy to determine whether we had “enough” to take At the same time, the popularity of AR-15 style rifles has dramatically increased among American hunters and shooters as well. The three cartridges have several things in common. A few months ago, my friend J.J. Reich at Federal Premium asked me what I thought of the new .224 Valkyrie. It is based on the 6.8mm SPC case necked-down to accept .224" diameter bullets and claimed to outperform the .223 Remington, .22 Nosler and 6.5mm Grendel. Neither the 22 Nosler nor the 224 Valkyrie is really rare, but they can’t hold a candle to the .223 Remington in that regard though. 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